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harrisamd
Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:54:17 PM
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I'm not sure what category this would fall under as I am not job hunting but looking for ways to bring my salary in line with my coworkers. I work at a large state university library. I first started at a branch campus and was happy to accept a lower salary to get my foot in the door. At the branch campus, I had multiple responsibilities - reference, circ, ILL, putting paper in the printer - sort of a jack of all trades. It was really a little branch library - just a large room. Although a professional librarian, my position was classified as staff.
Because of budget concerns, the branch campus closed and I was given the opportunity to work on the main campus. Here I do strictly academic reference ( desk, email, VR) and also teach info literacy classes. I have started creating LIBGuides and tutorials - and I welcome all additional duties.
However, I am grossly underpaid compared to the other librarians. They all have faculty status but the biggest issue is that I am earning approx $7000 less that even the lowest paid librarian. As we are a state school, salaries are public record.
While I do not have all the responsibilities of the other librarians, I do believe I am not getting paid what I bring to the position. I have a number of years of experience and two masters degrees.
The other problem in regards to this, is of course, the diminishing budget. The university already has reduced the budget and we even have mandatory furlough days. So it seems like asking for more money would be futile.
Thanks for reading this. I am grateful to have a job in this economic climate but it just seems so unfair.
bcgray
Posted: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:15:16 AM

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I think you are in a tough position. Any time you switch roles that is the best time to talk money. Once you are in the role for a while, it is tough for you to have the advantage in negotiations. To make matters worse, you point out a shrinking budget and that you do less (in terms of type of responsibilities) than your previous job.

What is not clear is are you still staff when the other librarians are faculty? If that is the case, I think trying to be reclassified would be in your best interest to get a raise.

Brian C. Gray
Head of Reference & Engineering Librarian
Kelvin Smith Library
Case Western Reserve University
http://blog.case.edu/bcg8
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harrisamd
Posted: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:53:12 AM
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Thanks for the response.
Actually, I do not do less in terms of responsibilities. At the little branch library, although I did multiple tasks, we are talking about a very small student population. That library was never busy. At the main campus, there are approx 30,000 students so my reference and teaching duties are greatly increased. For instance, next week, I am teaching at least 2 classes daily of at least 25- 30 students, have ownership of several LibGuides that need updating, a few meetings, not including my hours at the desk and VR. The only difference between me and the subject librarians (who have faculty status) is that they do more course specific classes, and collection development for their subjects, plus whatever faculty committees they are on. It is not a tenure position although of course, many of them do write, present etc. I would do that but a stubborn part of me says "you get what you pay for" - if I am going to be paid what the library associates are making, I see no reason to do faculty work.
I agree that the best time to negotiate would have been at the beginning. However, it was strongly hinted that I should be grateful for continued employment in any capacity...and believe me I am.
Hollis
Posted: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:18:48 PM
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You do not say when your annual review is done--year end? on the hire date, or when you moved to this current position? If you are to have a review sooner than later, I would consider discussing a status change with your supervisor then. It is a natural time to do this, and allows you a graceful way to bring up the amount of responsibility attached to your position---and if it is equal to a faculty members, then that opens the door for discussion.
bcgray
Posted: Friday, September 25, 2009 9:18:09 PM

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If you look I said you do less in terms of types of responsibilities, which matches you description that you have less tasks now. I did not say you did less in terms of level or responsibility or value. It is always easier for someone in an organization to see you "rank" in terms of the amount of tasks you do but it can be had to see your rank in terms of value of your tasks. One is quantitative so easy to see and the other is qualitative which means left to judgment.

Doing extras like conference and papers does show the initiative to get you the promotion you want. Remember even though you had a history with the organization, you are essentially need to reprove yourself because you have new colleagues around. Writing, presentations, etc. are a sign of commitment to self improvement and the success of the organization, and are not considered just tasks of faculty. If it does not help you within this organization, it greatly prepares you for other future opportunities.

I would consider Hollis's advice, even if it means suggesting a change in positions that has never occurred.

Brian C. Gray
Head of Reference & Engineering Librarian
Kelvin Smith Library
Case Western Reserve University
http://blog.case.edu/bcg8
bcg8@case.edu
harrisamd
Posted: Saturday, September 26, 2009 8:06:48 AM
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Thanks, folks. All good suggestions.
Part of the reason of my post was having the opportunity to rant/rave/ventilate etc.
There will be some reorganization within the department so I am hoping for a reassignment/restructure of my position with an appropriate compensation. If not, thanks for listening to my complaints :)
SWD5597
Posted: Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:21:26 AM
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I too was wondering about this come annual review time. I was grateful to get started in the field just 3 weeks after graduation but I would like to move into an average percentile of pay. Would presenting statistics regarding pay norms for the field I work in be of a benefit for this?
bcgray
Posted: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:28:18 PM

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SWD5597 wrote:
I too was wondering about this come annual review time. I was grateful to get started in the field just 3 weeks after graduation but I would like to move into an average percentile of pay. Would presenting statistics regarding pay norms for the field I work in be of a benefit for this?


It depends on your type of organization. I think you said you are in a career college. I suspect your average income is lower than the norm of the field from people I know in this role.

Brian C. Gray
Head of Reference & Engineering Librarian
Kelvin Smith Library
Case Western Reserve University
http://blog.case.edu/bcg8
bcg8@case.edu
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