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sabouchard
Posted: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:16:17 PM
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I graduated this past December with my MLIS from an ALA-accredited distance education program. Although I am currently living in West Texas, I'm a native of Upstate New York and am attempting to relocate closer to home; preferably anywhere in New England or New York State (except NYC). My preference is an academic library job.

I am well aware that I am setting myself up for a long and difficult search by limiting myself geographically. I'm also aware that currently, hunting for an academic library job can be difficult, even with complete geographic flexibility.

I would love some advice on how I can maximize my opportunities, best present myself, and just generally make this process as smooth as possible.

Thanks in advance!
librarybob
Posted: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:34:26 PM

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One thing you *might* be able to do is move back to where the jobs are. Some libraries will pay expenses to interview you, but many will not. Those are lost opportunities.

I suspect you know this and can't make the move easily, but as it wasn't stated I thought I should mention it.

jandel72
Posted: Friday, June 20, 2008 1:20:58 PM

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sabouchard wrote:
I graduated this past December with my MLIS from an ALA-accredited distance education program. Although I am currently living in West Texas, I'm a native of Upstate New York and am attempting to relocate closer to home; preferably anywhere in New England or New York State (except NYC). My preference is an academic library job.

I am well aware that I am setting myself up for a long and difficult search by limiting myself geographically. I'm also aware that currently, hunting for an academic library job can be difficult, even with complete geographic flexibility.

I would love some advice on how I can maximize my opportunities, best present myself, and just generally make this process as smooth as possible.

Thanks in advance!



I have a few suggestions to help, but again I am newly minted librarian, so these are things that have worked for me:

Learn everything about the organization you are applying to and about the community you would be serving.

If you are really set on living in a particular area you could also expand your search in that general location (i.e. states near that area)

It has been said several times by various moderators on this forum, "tailor your cover letter" ensure that you have covered everything addressed in the ad and about your experience as it applies to the position.

Working in an academic field requires publishing of some sort (blogs, journal articles etc.) and this does make a difference.

If you haven't already, you can send your resume to the NMRT service, the feedback was extremely helpful.
http://www.geocities.com/nmrtrrs/


Also there are many great interview questions and suggestions out there and this link (had several questions that I have been asked in about 3 or 4 interviews)
http://www.geocities.com/aer_mcr/libjob/interview.html

All of the resources on this message board and the LisJobs website have been very helpful, check out as much as you can.

I also thought this blog post by Cliff Landis to be very helpful for applying for library positions:
http://clifflandis.net/2008/05/21/advice-for-librarian-job-applicants/

I was hired right out of library school and took the wrong job. :( I wasn't well prepared, but I think that preparation and expanding my search has made a difference for me since I have been more successful in my job search lately.

If possible definitely attend ALA and make as many contacts as you can.

Be patient, this is the hardest part and definitely talk to others that you know in the library community for help and support. I even got a contact that I am meeting at ALA from an interview (will find out next week if I got the job).

Best wishes on your search!

Julie
ktb2780
Posted: Friday, June 20, 2008 3:45:40 PM
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Hi, not sure if this is the kind of advice you are looking for but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in:

If you are relocating that distance, as I am trying to do, I was told it helps to give a firm date, in the cover letter, for when you will either be traveling back or moving back. I sent out 20 resumes in one month to out of state positions and only heard from one even using this advice. I am not trying to work in an academic library though (I would like to be in a special library, especially a cataloging or technical service position)...

I was also advised that generally, if you really do want to relocate regardless of receiving a relocation package/expenses, that should go in your cover letter also (i.e. tell them you are willing to incur your relo expenses).


Hollis
Posted: Friday, June 20, 2008 4:05:17 PM
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ktb2780 wrote:
I was also advised that generally, if you really do want to relocate regardless of receiving a relocation package/expenses, that should go in your cover letter also (i.e. tell them you are willing to incur your relo expenses).




Absolutely, do tell them you will incur moving expenses. And it helps if you throw in a sentence about why you are applying for a job 1500 miles away from where you are--you wish to return to that area; you want to be in a rural area; etc. Otherwise employers think you are just applying in hopes of hitting the side of the barn----and sometimes people are. So, do make it clear that you want to move there for reason XYZ and that you will pay to do so. It can make the difference in getting an interview.

Also, if you can take part-time and work a second (less desireable)job, apply for the 25-32 hour postitions. You really do have a better chance of getting a job if you are within a day's drive. And I don't think this is a function of cost--it is more a matter of how quickly you can actually start working there.

As far as I can tell, if an employer knows you have to move 1500 miles, they also know you can not easily start work within a week's time. I have moved those distances and you really are looking at month to relocate and start work, so the employers are not being unreasonable.
mgfarkas
Posted: Friday, June 20, 2008 5:47:44 PM

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I have to disagree with some of this advice, having just served on two academic search committees in the past year. I have applied and interviewed for a lot of academic librarian positions and never was I asked to pay my own travel expenses (this is very common in public libraries and also in many community colleges). Also, all but one of the interviews I had were out of state. Most of the people who applied for the most recent job at our University library were also from out of state, and none of them explained why they wanted to move here in their cover letter. What they did address was why they wanted the job and how their skills and experience matched our qualifications. I would be less likely to interview someone whose cover letter gives me the sense that their primary motivation for applying for the job is that they want to move to my area. I'd be more likely to interview someone who seems passionate about this particular position and our library.

My tips:
*focus on writing a cover letter that sounds like it was written from scratch for the specific position. I've read cover letters where it's obvious that they recycled an old cover letter and just changed a few words in it. Writing something original indicates motivation and attention to detail.
*in the cover letter, be sure to address how you meet each of the required qualifications (and those preferred ones that you meet as well). Focus on how you meet the position requirements, not on things that are cool about you but have nothing to do with the position. Honestly, the cover letter is the most important thing to focus on; it's what will set you apart (for better or worse).
*if you happen to be really excited about the particular college/university, that's definitely worth mentioning (and mentioning why).
*if you're lucky enough to get a phone interview, do your homework beforehand. When someone comes into an interview not knowing anything about our library and its services, it tells me that they don't care much about OUR job
*if you're lucky enough to get a phone interview, ask really good questions about the position and the institutional environment. People are impressed by someone who asks good/thoughtful questions and it indicates that the person really cares about

Definitely don't move to an area in the hopes of finding a job there. Unless you're moving to a major metro area, the chances of that happening are slim to nil. Even in a metro area, the odds aren't great, and then you're in the position of having to move twice, which is a huge strain on your finances.

Most academic libraries want to hire the BEST candidate, not the candidate who can start the most quickly or who lives closest by. We have budgets to fly in candidates, and most fly in between 2 and 4 of them for searches. If you write a great cover letter, interview well, and are a good fit for an open position in the Northeast, your search won't be long. There are so many things that factor into these searches, some of which are in your control, some of which are not. Just focus on presenting the best "you" you can through your application materials. Best of luck!
bcgray
Posted: Friday, June 20, 2008 7:47:30 PM

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mgfarkas wrote:
I have to disagree with some of this advice, having just served on two academic search committees in the past year. I have applied and interviewed for a lot of academic librarian positions and never was I asked to pay my own travel expenses (this is very common in public libraries and also in many community colleges). Also, all but one of the interviews I had were out of state. Most of the people who applied for the most recent job at our University library were also from out of state, and none of them explained why they wanted to move here in their cover letter. What they did address was why they wanted the job and how their skills and experience matched our qualifications. I would be less likely to interview someone whose cover letter gives me the sense that their primary motivation for applying for the job is that they want to move to my area. I'd be more likely to interview someone who seems passionate about this particular position and our library.

I agree 100%!

I want to know you meet my advertised needs and you fit the organization. I do not care about your plan to move, why you want to move, or who is paying for it. Academic libraries are not as interested in hiring people with local knowledge as they is usually enough of those people on the staff already. We want people that fill our need.

Brian C. Gray
Head of Reference & Engineering Librarian
Kelvin Smith Library
Case Western Reserve University
http://blog.case.edu/bcg8
bcg8@case.edu
Madeline Fabray
Posted: Saturday, June 21, 2008 1:40:01 PM
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Also, if you can take part-time and work a second (less desireable)job, apply for the 25-32 hour postitions. You really do have a better chance of getting a job if you are within a day's drive. And I don't think this is a function of cost--it is more a matter of how quickly you can actually start working there. [/quote]

I would be extremely careful here. One, finding that second job may not be as easy as it once was a decade ago (especially depending on where you move). What you can get might not pay enough in the long run to be worth the struggle of juggling two jobs. Also, there's a good chance that you may not have a set schedule of hours with a part-time job, and trying to accommodate hours for the two jobs may not work to the satisfaction of both employers.

You might have to wind up going this route, given the state of today's economy. But personally, especially given the expenses and headache of relocating, I'd do this only as an absolute last resort option, and ONLY in an institution where there is clearly potential upward mobility.
sabouchard
Posted: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:28:30 AM
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Thank you all so much for your great advice!

It was particularly nice to receive feedback that was academic library specific. Applying for a professional job in the academic sphere is so different than applying for private sector (or even public library) jobs. Partially, I'm nervous simply because this process is so foreign to me.

On that note, here's an academic-specific question: in my previous job searches, I have always followed up an application with a phone call to confirm that the organization received the application, and to reiterate my interest in the position. I have held off doing that for this job search; I have no idea whether or not calling is appropriate in the academic realm. More often than not, my application has been sent to a human resources office anyway. What is everybody's take on calling, is it a good idea still, or totally inappropriate for an academic job?

Thanks again!
Hollis
Posted: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:54:08 AM
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mgfarkas wrote:
I have to disagree with some of this advice, having just served on two academic search committees in the past year. I have applied and interviewed for a lot of academic librarian positions and never was I asked to pay my own travel expenses (this is very common in public libraries and also in many community colleges). Also, all but one of the interviews I had were out of state. Most of the people who applied for the most recent job at our University library were also from out of state, and none of them explained why they wanted to move here in their cover letter. What they did address was why they wanted the job and how their skills and experience matched our qualifications. I would be less likely to interview someone whose cover letter gives me the sense that their primary motivation for applying for the job is that they want to move to my area. I'd be more likely to interview someone who seems passionate about this particular position and our library.



I was talking about adding one sentence in the closing paragraph, which states that you are looking in that area for a reason, and that you are are willing to pay relocation costs if necessary. An entire paragraph would be grossly inappropriate.
bcgray
Posted: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:59:10 PM

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sabouchard wrote:
On that note, here's an academic-specific question: in my previous job searches, I have always followed up an application with a phone call to confirm that the organization received the application, and to reiterate my interest in the position. I have held off doing that for this job search; I have no idea whether or not calling is appropriate in the academic realm. More often than not, my application has been sent to a human resources office anyway. What is everybody's take on calling, is it a good idea still, or totally inappropriate for an academic job?

Calling to make sure materials have been received is OK. It only has negative consequences when the calls constantly keep coming in throughout the process.

Brian C. Gray
Head of Reference & Engineering Librarian
Kelvin Smith Library
Case Western Reserve University
http://blog.case.edu/bcg8
bcg8@case.edu
joan
Posted: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:21:43 AM
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My advice when applying for academic library jobs: Instead of focusing on why you want to move to the area, talk about why you want to work that THAT library at THAT school, even if it's not entirely true. If you tell the search committee you are interested in the area, they might take it to mean you're not interested in that job. (Of course there are exceptions: I work in Cairo, and we want people there to have a real interest in Egypt. But this doesn't necessarily apply within the US.) I worked briefly in HR at a library in a lovely mountainous touristy area, and reading letters from people who had family there just made it seem they'd wanted to be paid to relocate rather than have the actual job.

And I wouldn't mention anything about paying expenses in the letter. The search committee who reviews your application has nothing to do with your salary or expenses. They'd be likely to see a comment along these lines as either naive or lacking professionalism or a sign of desperation. The worst case scenario is that you take away some negotiating power if they do offer you a job. Many academic libraries have a standard amount they pay people to relocate.

I've served on two search committees and seen several other searches. I've never seen finances mentioned in any letter.
TenLib
Posted: Monday, June 30, 2008 5:55:34 PM
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If you are looking for a job in an academic library, make sure you pay attention to the posts here from academic librarians, particularly those who have served on search committees. I moved all the way across the country for an academic job, and no one thought that was odd. It is quite ordinary in academia. In your cover letter, follow the advice of one of the posters here: focus on that job, that library, and that school. Anything else would indicate some self-centered notion that the search committee should care about your personal life, or that you are more interested in geography than the job.

You didn't mention other qualifications that you might have, and those qualifications will largely determine how successful you are when searching for a job. Do you have a subject-area masters degree? Do you have work experience in another field that is transferable? Did you do an internship or practicum while you were pursuing the online degree? Do you have any library experience at all? New Enland is a big enough area to find a job as long as you are flexible within that area, in my recent experience. A little over a year ago I landed an academic job, and although I was definitely planning on relocating for the right job, I wouldn't have moved just anywhere.

I am sure you are confused by conflicting opinions, but here is my personal rule: do not travel to any interview if the employer doesn't cover the expenses. I have yet to interview at an academic institution that did not, and I believe that is the common and expected practice. If you have plenty of money and feel like going to that location anyway, fine, but I doubt many of us have that much extra money to spend. I also assume that you are planning to move after you have a job offer in hand, so I would not include any references to dates after which you expect to be living in Vermont, or wherever. Most academic institutions appear to offer some amount of relocation reimbursement, but unless you are fresh out of both undergrad and MLIS and living in a one bedroom apartment with little furniture and no family, it will not cover your moving expenses. Be prepared to pay for a lot yourself (fortunately all tax deductible even using the short form). My personal experience is that universities offer between about $3K - $5K. I am hoping that others I have not encountered offer more.
sabouchard
Posted: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 4:40:49 PM
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TenLib wrote:
You didn't mention other qualifications that you might have, and those qualifications will largely determine how successful you are when searching for a job. Do you have a subject-area masters degree? Do you have work experience in another field that is transferable? Did you do an internship or practicum while you were pursuing the online degree? Do you have any library experience at all? ... I also assume that you are planning to move after you have a job offer in hand, so I would not include any references to dates after which you expect to be living in Vermont, or wherever.


I have paraprofessional academic library experience, in technical services. I have lots of customer service/public service experience. I have supervisory experience. I’m working at a university currently, in a non-traditional information management role with University Development (fundraising).

I’ve enrolled in a subject-area master’s program here in El Paso, thinking that I would transfer any credit that I’d accumulated and complete the degree wherever we move. I’ve enrolled in some continuing education workshops for this summer (through various organizations); Dreamweaver, Copyright and Libraries, and Implementing Social Software in Libraries.

I did not complete an internship or practicum while I was pursuing the online degree. I have a little bit of an odd situation in that I have been an army wife for the last six years. In that period, we have moved four times and been through two deployments; I’ve had lots of job instability, and a period of unemployment while we were in Europe. However, in 26 days, my family's military obligations will be at an end.Applause

I am well aware that search committees do not, and should not, care about my personal life. I quite agree that my personal desire to relocate is not of relevance to university search committees. However, in my cover letters I have included a brief statement that the constant relocation reflected in my resume is a result of my family’s military obligations, which will be ending this summer.

I include that statement because I’m aware that any person viewing my resume would wonder why I have not stayed at a job for more than a year and a half. I’d like to assure search committees that the instability shown in my resume is not reflective of any serious personal problem, or lack of ability (or desire) to hold down a job.

I will absolutely not be moving until I have a job offer lined up. Personally, I’m not concerned about moving expenses, but I agree that that does not need to be discussed at the application stage.

Similar to your job search, I am somewhat flexible geographically. I am choosing to only apply for jobs in the northeast because, wherever it is we move, I want to be settled and stay for a significant period of time. The geography matters to me, but ultimately, it is “the right” job that I am searching for and “the right” job that we will be moving for.
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